28 thoughts on “Bad Idea Jeans

  1. Where?
    At AK (or whatever their abbreviation is), they’re selling the “Ashley” (I can’t tell it’s padded, but it is a bikini top) for 56-58″ height girls. I’m guessing that’s an unlikely 7 year old.
    I’m not sure what I think of bikinis for little girls more generally (ignoring the “padded” part). I’ve learned that if you’re really in the water a lot, a bikini is good, ’cause it produces the least amount of water logged clothing. These days, the sun hazards should keep fair-skinned kids from wearing bikinis for other reasons. But, if you’re dark, and not sensitive to sun, bikinis are convenient.

  2. I’d say that anyone who shops for a 7 year old on that website needs her head examined. The site seems to aim at middle school/high school aged kids.
    I looked at the “classic looks” slideshows for “guys” and “girls.” The girls are wearing very little fabric. I sound like a puritan, I know. Even the female model, though, seems uneasy about her exposure, to judge from her body language. The male model is much more relaxed.

  3. I agree with Cranberry about the clothes. The tops are way too low cut for the dimensions they suggest in their sizing. Weird, actually. Why would a kid with chest measurements of 28 inches want to wear a top that low cut?
    I have a tall, mature-looking 10 year old, and it’s a struggle to find clothes that are appropriate for her. I’m actually quite thankful for the powerful science teacher who does not allow sleeveless shirts in the lab. It cuts down on a significant number of inappropriate outfits.
    My guess is that the “body language” of the model is actually an attempt to increase the cleavage.

  4. OK. I was looking at that site and thinking “that’s supposed to be a kid?” But then, I looked in on the A&F non-kids site, and I see that they’ve significantly dampened the sexual imagery in the “kids” site.

  5. It doesn’t actually look like a push up to me and the description on the site doesn’t say push up. It says padded. Lightly padded I wouldn’t object to at all becuase they are actually more modest in many cases. Ladies out there who have experienced very cold water, you will know what I mean.😉
    Would I personally let my kid under, maybe 16 or so, wear a triangle bikini though? No, probably not. Because I think it’s hard to be active in a bathing suit like that without worrying that something will move. I wouldn’t want my daughter to be afraid to play in the waves. A two piece? Sure! As long as there was no string involved anywhere except maybe to tie around her neck.

  6. “A two piece? Sure! As long as there was no string involved anywhere except maybe to tie around her neck.”
    I really like Lands End’s line of very substantial two piece swimsuits, so much in fact that I even get my little boy two piece swim suits (shorts and short-sleeved top). It provides so much more flexibility, since kids wouldn’t necessarily need to change into street clothes before going somewhere. I also think that the less area you have to apply sunblock, the better.

  7. My daughter, who is 8, got made fun of at school because her mom buys her clothes at Target and The Children’s Place. The girls who were making fun of her told her she should shop at Abercrombie. Unfortunately for my daughter, her mom is so cheap that she wouldn’t even buy a $40 shirt for herself, let alone an 8-year-old. Can we all just say no to this stuff?!

  8. Since when is there any need to apologize for being a puritan in regards what is being sold to our kids?
    I’m not aplogizing, but I do know that on the spectrum of parental tolerance for skimpy clothes, I am closer to puritan than “isn’t she cute?”
    It does my heart good to hear other mothers fighting with their daughters in the next dressing room over.
    I have said, and meant it, “You’re not going out of the house dressed like that.” I observe, though, that many teen girls are wearing outfits just like the Abercrombie Kids catalog outfits.
    It’s hard to find a non-padded brassiere these days. (hope that doesn’t land in the spam catcher.) I think the girls prefer the padded look because it can be more modest. Some of the shirts and camisoles girls wear are very form-fitting or see-through. Or both at once.
    I saw this mentioned on our local news last night. I suspect commercial FUD from a competitor to spread the story so quickly. Abercrombie does use innuendo and outright sleaze to sell their clothes to teens, but looking at the catalog, I’m at a loss to understand why the padded bikini tops are more objectionable than the super-short skirts and shorts.

  9. It’s hard to find a non-padded brassiere these days.
    Have you tried looking in the backseat of Charlie Sheen’s car?

  10. We’re a few years away with our five year old daughter but even now it’s a choice between cute/practical and hip/not-for-swimming.
    Like AmyP, I like the LandsEnd swimsuits. They last all summer and the girl is very sporty and can have all sorts of fun in the pool with nothing riding up/falling down.

  11. P.S. It feels like the beginning of “I can’t run because I am in heels”. The hobbling of a kid who should still be able to run and climb and jump and swim.

  12. My mother was shall we say “permissive” about clothing? I gladly wore triangle bathing suit tops and there was no way in heck I would have ever worn anything that wasn’t “cute.” I recall one outfit, that while it wasn’t tramp-ish, I suspect by readers/friends might have called it inappropriate (I was roughly 17–but I loved that outfit. That said, my parents refused to buy designer jeans and other “fads” and I was mocked. And while this certainly builds character, and I don’t believe in giving in to all trends I think sometimes girls “need” a special item or two to feel “good.” We want/need to fit in. (I did not.)
    Interestingly, I did not “rebel” like some of my friends did and I attribute this to my mother’s ease about clothing and music.
    Finally, while this experience certainly built character, I would say that I’m very clothing-centric to this day and spend a fair amount of money on clothes–roughly .05% of my income. I wonder whether I was given some opportunities to have “nicer” clothing I might not be the clothes-horse I am today.

  13. I’m personally very pleased that the fashion for rear end decolletage seems to be just about over–at least I haven’t seen much lately.

  14. spend a fair amount of money on clothes–roughly .05% of my income
    Typo? Either than or you couldn’t afford Old Navy without a seven figure income.

  15. Ooh, now I want to see what Macaroni wears. I don’t mind spending money on clothes, for me or my child, if they give us pleasure. I resist purchases (for both of us) if I think we’re buying them to impress someone else.
    So I don’t have an ideological opposition to spending $35 on a t-shirt (though I do to paying $35 for one that says “FITCH” on it; I, and my daughter, agree that they should pay us to wear that shirt).

  16. One of the most affecting stories I ever read was Jesse Timmendequas’ response when he was asked why he was such a damned fool as to go after Megan Kanka, when he was known to have spent time talking with her and suspicion would surely light on him. He said, well, she had been wearing shorts and no underpants, and she was sitting so that he could see her vagina, and it made him crazy.
    That poor little girl, and what happened to her – and this guy says he did it because he was set off by her clothing. So my general view is I don’t want my daughter wearing stuff which will set some nutball off.

  17. “Ooh, now I want to see what Macaroni wears. I don’t mind spending money on clothes, for me or my child, if they give us pleasure. I resist purchases (for both of us) if I think we’re buying them to impress someone else.”
    It took me some years to learn that “it’s on sale!” is not a reason to buy kids’ clothes that you don’t really like all that much (not having an in-unit washer/dryer also led to a lot of panicky over-buying). Nowadays, I try to just buy stuff that I genuinely love (and socks and shoes and uniforms and so forth) and I try to give the Clothes Fairy time to work her magic (hand-me-downs and birthday and Christmas gifts). As the kids get bigger, I’m also storing fewer items, because at some point it dawned on me that even if we had a new baby right this instant, it would take that baby at least half a decade to grow into this stuff and we’ve got at least one move ahead of us.
    I handed off two winter coats this afternoon, which I suppose means that I’m the Clothing Fairy, too.

  18. Knowing A&F, they’re doing this on purpose for the publicity. Their target market is “preppy douchebag.”
    When I was in high school, they released a “clothing” catalog that was so pornographic it could only be legally distributed to those 18 and over. Teachers and parents made a big fuss, teenagers were curious and I am sure many of them found a way to get their hands on the catalog (I never saw it), and A&F got badass points. In college, they released a line of racist t-shirts that made most people I knew boycott them. By that point, they were known less for their trendy clothing than for their blatantly homoerotic male models. If you need some procrastination, there’s some funny A&F skits on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3-WzqfbVHU

  19. Thank God for uniforms. My daughter has been awesome about clothing. I’ve always let her make her own choices–since my mom didn’t let me. She’s way more modest than I am about clothes and recently, I had to talk her into buying a pair of skinny jeans. She was worried they were too tight. They were definitely fitted, but it did not look inappropriate and she would be wearing shirts that were longer.
    Though she’s aware that girls around her wear brand and designer clothing, she doesn’t think it’s worth the money. I’ve never really discussed it with her, but she gets that she’s growing and often can’t wear the same clothes from year to year. It doesn’t make sense to her to spend tons of money on something she will only wear a couple of times.

  20. While I agree that it’s a bit weird and maybe even bad, it would be better for _us_ if we don’t exaggerate. As noted above, there’s plausible reason why some padding might be okay, and this isn’t likely a “push-up”, given the shape and design. Also, the “7-year old” bit seems made up on someone’s part (I’m not sure who), as the things I’d seen elsewhere showed that this was marketed in the “8-14” year age range. Maybe 8 is bad enough (though I’m not sure it’s good to focus on the lowest part of a range only), but there’s no need to extend it down to 7 if that’s not accurate. Also, in many parts of the world, even the western world, little kids, including girls, go topless at the beach until 5 or 6 easily, and the world keeps spinning and they are not all stolen by sexual predators. Given that, I don’t see that this is as big of a deal as some people are making it out to be.

  21. Improv Everywhere instigated an action at A&F. Search for “111 shirtless men at Abercrombie and Fitch” on YouTube.

  22. Yes, a typo…and I spend roughly 3.5% of my income on clothing. (I try to keep it to 3% but I’m not terribly successful.)
    Like BJ I really adore clothing–and I probably would have opted for a career in that industry if I didn’t think it shallow. (Personally I need to feel as though I’m making a difference or contributing to the betterment of society, and I didn’t feel as though I could accomplish this through fashion.)
    I tend to purchase a lot of clothes from J Crew because I love the quality and classic fit. And, in the past Anthropologie has been a favorite. Two of my favorite boutiques are:
    Anna http://store.annanyc.com/index.html
    Meg http://megshops.com/ And, then I’ll also shop at Old Navy a bit.
    My biggest problem/purchases are probably dresses/skirts. But I definitely have a price point (for example, $175 is my upper limit for dresses). When I shop the two neighborhood boutiques I ask for a discount, and I believe (maybe falsely so) that I’m supporting local business.

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